Hi, iOS build should finally be installable to registered devices. Note to Charles, Falk and Jean-Philippe, your device status is still processing. Apple introduced this mandatory 24-72 hour cooling off period for new testing devices some time ago. You need to set your device to developer mode to be able to install the test release. This is a new security feature introduce by iOS 16.0, to prevent you from accidentally installing malicious applications. Regarding mailing lists: https://lists.mpaja.com/ Allows you to create and account for mailing lists, which is separate from the mailing list membership. With that account, you can search list archives via a web browser at https://lists.mpaja.com/archives/ Best regards, Harri
Well, Harri, it did install: i went through the settings, but when I open the braille editor, I cannot type anything. I heard the instrkction to tap dots 1 through 6 and did that with no feedback. I selected to let it use self voicing the first time, but got nothing. So after getting out of MBraille beta and trying again I selected to use the native screen reader, VoiceOver, but still got nothing. I tried to add Direct Touch to the VoiceOver Rotor, but that is not working, it is not showing up. I thought that could be the problem. Any thoughts as to what may be wrong? iPhone 16 pro running iOS 26.2. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner, from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe. My web site: https://www.turner42.com Sent from my iPhone 16 Pro On Dec 28, 2025, at 6:11 AM, Harri Pasanen via MBraille-Test <mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com> wrote: Hi, iOS build should finally be installable to registered devices. Note to Charles, Falk and Jean-Philippe, your device status is still processing. Apple introduced this mandatory 24-72 hour cooling off period for new testing devices some time ago. You need to set your device to developer mode to be able to install the test release. This is a new security feature introduce by iOS 16.0, to prevent you from accidentally installing malicious applications. Regarding mailing lists: https://lists.mpaja.com/ Allows you to create and account for mailing lists, which is separate from the mailing list membership. With that account, you can search list archives via a web browser at https://lists.mpaja.com/archives/ Best regards, Harri _______________________________________________ MBraille-Test mailing list -- mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com To unsubscribe send an email to mbraille-test-leave@lists.mpaja.com
Hi Richard, Thanks for the quick feedback. I see indeed that VoiceOver interfering with braille input. So until I sort that out, self voicing is only usable option. 4 finger swipe right resets the keyboard layout and you can re-enter the points, 1 to 6 in order. Best regards, Harri On Sunday, December 28th, 2025 at 4:52 PM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
Well, Harri, it did install: i went through the settings, but when I open the braille editor, I cannot type anything. I heard the instrkction to tap dots 1 through 6 and did that with no feedback. I selected to let it use self voicing the first time, but got nothing. So after getting out of MBraille beta and trying again I selected to use the native screen reader, VoiceOver, but still got nothing. I tried to add Direct Touch to the VoiceOver Rotor, but that is not working, it is not showing up. I thought that could be the problem. Any thoughts as to what may be wrong? iPhone 16 pro running iOS 26.2.
Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner, from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe. My web site: https://www.turner42.com
Sent from my iPhone 16 Pro
On Dec 28, 2025, at 6:11 AM, Harri Pasanen via MBraille-Test <mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com> wrote:
Hi,
iOS build should finally be installable to registered devices. Note to Charles, Falk and Jean-Philippe, your device status is still processing. Apple introduced this mandatory 24-72 hour cooling off period for new testing devices some time ago.
You need to set your device to developer mode to be able to install the test release. This is a new security feature introduce by iOS 16.0, to prevent you from accidentally installing malicious applications.
Regarding mailing lists: https://lists.mpaja.com/
Allows you to create and account for mailing lists, which is separate from the mailing list membership. With that account, you can search list archives via a web browser at https://lists.mpaja.com/archives/
Best regards, Harri _______________________________________________ MBraille-Test mailing list -- mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com To unsubscribe send an email to mbraille-test-leave@lists.mpaja.com
Try turning Voiceover off. That's the only way I was able to get it to work. You may want to change your self-voicing settings first though. Mine defaulted to something that sounded pretty frightening, Lol. Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 28, 2025, at 9:52 AM, Richard Turner via MBraille-Test <mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com> wrote:
Well, Harri, it did install: i went through the settings, but when I open the braille editor, I cannot type anything. I heard the instrkction to tap dots 1 through 6 and did that with no feedback. I selected to let it use self voicing the first time, but got nothing. So after getting out of MBraille beta and trying again I selected to use the native screen reader, VoiceOver, but still got nothing. I tried to add Direct Touch to the VoiceOver Rotor, but that is not working, it is not showing up. I thought that could be the problem. Any thoughts as to what may be wrong? iPhone 16 pro running iOS 26.2.
Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner, from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe. My web site: https://www.turner42.com
Sent from my iPhone 16 Pro
On Dec 28, 2025, at 6:11 AM, Harri Pasanen via MBraille-Test <mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com> wrote:
Hi,
iOS build should finally be installable to registered devices. Note to Charles, Falk and Jean-Philippe, your device status is still processing. Apple introduced this mandatory 24-72 hour cooling off period for new testing devices some time ago.
You need to set your device to developer mode to be able to install the test release. This is a new security feature introduce by iOS 16.0, to prevent you from accidentally installing malicious applications.
Regarding mailing lists: https://lists.mpaja.com/
Allows you to create and account for mailing lists, which is separate from the mailing list membership. With that account, you can search list archives via a web browser at https://lists.mpaja.com/archives/
Best regards, Harri _______________________________________________ MBraille-Test mailing list -- mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com To unsubscribe send an email to mbraille-test-leave@lists.mpaja.com
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Hi Harri and others! Here are my observations so far. I have not tested extending braille functionality yet, but found a few important things hidden in the app itself: There is a known issue in the framework that Harri uses from Google that makes big screens quite hard to navigate with VoiceOver this has nothing to do with Harri's work, but it shows why cross platform coding can be quite hard to manage even for experienced developers. When I scrolled through the options I use the flick gesture, when I came to the different voices I could select, there became quite an issue. All of a sudden VoiceOver jumped to the top of the screen, and was not able to reposition the place in the list of voices. When I tried to force it back by placing one finger at the bottom half of the screen and thereafter swiped down with three fingers, and nothing happend I knew that the issue was not VoiceOver related, but rather a bug in the framework that MBraille relies on at the moment. to be fair, I have quite a few voices installed, but I have seen this issue in a few other apps. The issue is that VoiceOver cannot follow the cursor movement inside a list. It is quite hard to debug, since the issue does not present itself each time, but hopefully it can get resolved some day. I liked the way the different options were grouped. Personally (for my own taste) I would like the groups to be more shown as headings, but that is due to VoiceOver and other mobile screenreaders can move between headings rather than groups. I briefly tested the braille editor, and it worked quite good. However I have an older, small phone, so the dots were a little hard for me to get in place. I wonder if there are any calibration mode for a future version? Another thing I noticed was that when I deleted a few characters too fast, I got a repeated message saying: Beginning of text. This was quite nice, but not so nice that I was not able to interupt this message, by starting typing again. But I really like MBraille editor, and I am very glad to use it again. I wonder if it is possible to update the Danish Grade 2, since quite a lot has changed? Again, if Liblouis can be used for this, loads and lots of work will be lifted away from Harri, so development time can be spent on more interesting things. Thanks for a nice start, Harri. This can be very great. I wonder if you would consider a braille display mode some day? Best regards Thomas Sendt fra min Macbook Pro via Apple mail
Den 28. dec. 2025 kl. 15.11 skrev Harri Pasanen via MBraille-Test <mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com>:
Hi,
iOS build should finally be installable to registered devices. Note to Charles, Falk and Jean-Philippe, your device status is still processing. Apple introduced this mandatory 24-72 hour cooling off period for new testing devices some time ago.
You need to set your device to developer mode to be able to install the test release. This is a new security feature introduce by iOS 16.0, to prevent you from accidentally installing malicious applications.
Regarding mailing lists: https://lists.mpaja.com/
Allows you to create and account for mailing lists, which is separate from the mailing list membership. With that account, you can search list archives via a web browser at https://lists.mpaja.com/archives/
Best regards, Harri _______________________________________________ MBraille-Test mailing list -- mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com To unsubscribe send an email to mbraille-test-leave@lists.mpaja.com
Hi Thomas, Thanks for the detailed feedback, much appreciated. To circumvent the issues with VoiceOver and Talkback as well, my plans are the following: Make braille first controls for list selection. So file selections, settings, or anything involving a list selection can done from within the braille keyboard. Android users will not need to enable Talkback just for those screens, and VoiceOver will also not get confused. In MBraille, the cool stuff from my point of view actually always happens without VoiceOver or Talkback. VoiceOver just provides the voice, but all gestures are handled by MBraille. For iOS, I plan to address VoiceOver "support" for the keyboard, so that VoiceOver can be left on. That is a bit more involved task, but should be possible. Hopefully over the next few days I can get this ready and you can get your hands on it, then it should become clear what I mean Best regards, Harri On Sunday, December 28th, 2025 at 11:31 PM, Thomas Byskov Dalgaard <tbd@coolfortheblind.dk> wrote:
Hi Harri and others!
Here are my observations so far. I have not tested extending braille functionality yet, but found a few important things hidden in the app itself: There is a known issue in the framework that Harri uses from Google that makes big screens quite hard to navigate with VoiceOver this has nothing to do with Harri's work, but it shows why cross platform coding can be quite hard to manage even for experienced developers. When I scrolled through the options I use the flick gesture, when I came to the different voices I could select, there became quite an issue. All of a sudden VoiceOver jumped to the top of the screen, and was not able to reposition the place in the list of voices. When I tried to force it back by placing one finger at the bottom half of the screen and thereafter swiped down with three fingers, and nothing happend I knew that the issue was not VoiceOver related, but rather a bug in the framework that MBraille relies on at the moment. to be fair, I have quite a few voices installed, but I have seen this issue in a few other apps. The issue is that VoiceOver cannot follow the cursor movement inside a list. It is quite hard to debug, since the issue does not present itself each time, but hopefully it can get resolved some day. I liked the way the different options were grouped. Personally (for my own taste) I would like the groups to be more shown as headings, but that is due to VoiceOver and other mobile screenreaders can move between headings rather than groups. I briefly tested the braille editor, and it worked quite good. However I have an older, small phone, so the dots were a little hard for me to get in place. I wonder if there are any calibration mode for a future version? Another thing I noticed was that when I deleted a few characters too fast, I got a repeated message saying: Beginning of text. This was quite nice, but not so nice that I was not able to interupt this message, by starting typing again. But I really like MBraille editor, and I am very glad to use it again. I wonder if it is possible to update the Danish Grade 2, since quite a lot has changed? Again, if Liblouis can be used for this, loads and lots of work will be lifted away from Harri, so development time can be spent on more interesting things.
Thanks for a nice start, Harri. This can be very great. I wonder if you would consider a braille display mode some day?
Best regards Thomas
Sendt fra min Macbook Pro via Apple mail
Den 28. dec. 2025 kl. 15.11 skrev Harri Pasanen via MBraille-Test <mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com>:
Hi,
iOS build should finally be installable to registered devices. Note to Charles, Falk and Jean-Philippe, your device status is still processing. Apple introduced this mandatory 24-72 hour cooling off period for new testing devices some time ago.
You need to set your device to developer mode to be able to install the test release. This is a new security feature introduce by iOS 16.0, to prevent you from accidentally installing malicious applications.
Regarding mailing lists: https://lists.mpaja.com/
Allows you to create and account for mailing lists, which is separate from the mailing list membership. With that account, you can search list archives via a web browser at https://lists.mpaja.com/archives/
Best regards, Harri
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