In English, writing q lower case, or Q upper case works fine. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner, from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe. My web site: https://www.turner42.com Sent from my iPhone 16 Pro On Jul 23, 2026, at 1:36 PM, Rumeysa Betül Boydak via MBraille-Test <mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com> wrote:  Hello, This is not related to the Turkish language. The letter q is a standard letter, and when written as Q, it is simply its uppercase form. As you may recall, there was previously an issue in MBraille where some Turkish characters could not be entered in uppercase, and you fixed that problem. The same issue now appears to affect the letter q. It can be entered in lowercase as q, but it cannot be entered in uppercase as Q in MBraille. I hope I have explained the issue clearly. Thank you very much. Harri Pasanen via MBraille-Test <mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com> şunları yazdı (23 Tem 2026 23:15): Hi, I was not able to reproduce this, neither with iPad not iPhone. I even set the language to Turkish and sent my son a whatsapp massage "a A q Q", so testing both lower and uppercase. I don't understand Turkish though, so I'm not sure what the voice feedback said when I typed. Maybe the problem is with voicing? Best regards, Harri _______________________________________________ MBraille-Test mailing list -- mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com To unsubscribe send an email to mbraille-test-leave@lists.mpaja.com

sounds like Turkish has similar rules to English. Proper names and places, like cities, states, countries, all need to be capitalized. Also, the first word of a sentence needs to be capitalized. IT sounds like Harri needs to build in an exception since q is not in the Turkish language. I do not know how that can be dealt with if the speech synthesizer insists that q shouldn't be there. I am sadly limited to the English language. I hope a solution is found. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner, from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe. My web site: https://www.turner42.com Sent from my iPhone 16 Pro On Jul 23, 2026, at 2:10 PM, Rumeysa Betül Boydak via MBraille-Test <mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com> wrote:  Hello, In Turkish, capitalization is an important grammatical rule. Personal names, country names, and similar proper nouns must begin with a capital letter. I am Turkish, and I am also a Turkish language teacher. For example, in Turkish, writing betül is incorrect; the correct form is Betül. Likewise, there are situations where the letter Q also needs to be capitalized. Although q is not part of the Turkish alphabet, some English names that begin with Q, as well as certain words from other languages, need to be written with an uppercase Q. Previously, there was also an issue in MBraille where some Turkish characters, such as ğ, could not be entered in uppercase (for example, Ğ). Mr. Harry fixed that issue at the time. Richard Turner via MBraille-Test <mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com> şunları yazdı (23 Tem 2026 23:57): In English, writing q lower case, or Q upper case works fine. _______________________________________________ MBraille-Test mailing list -- mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com To unsubscribe send an email to mbraille-test-leave@lists.mpaja.com

Rumeysa, I think AI is doing a good job with your messages. I was curious what ChatGPT would say about the difference between English and Turkish capitalization, so I asked. While it doesn't mention the letter q, I found the answer very interesting, and clearly above my head… I'll post it here, and perhaps you can say if it is accurate. From ChatGPT: English and Turkish use many of the same capitalization conventions, but there are several important differences. Some are grammatical, while others are unique to the Turkish alphabet. 1. The letters I and İ (the biggest difference) Turkish has four distinct letters where English has only two: * I = uppercase of ı (dotless i) * İ = uppercase of i (dotted i) This means: Lowercase Uppercase i İ ı I For example: * istanbul → İstanbul * izmir → İzmir * ışık ("light") → Işık This is one of the most common mistakes made by software that isn't Turkish-aware. Simply converting "i" to "I" is incorrect in Turkish. 2. Days and months Unlike English, Turkish does not capitalize the names of days or months unless they begin a sentence. Examples: English: * Monday * January Turkish: * pazartesi (Monday) * ocak (January) However: * Pazartesi günü geldim. ("I came on Monday.") — capitalized only because it starts the sentence. 3. Nationalities and languages English capitalizes these: * English * Turkish * French Turkish generally does too because they are derived from proper nouns: * Türk * İngiliz * Fransız Likewise: * Türkçe * İngilizce * Fransızca So in this area the two languages are largely similar. 4. Titles English often capitalizes titles before names: * President Lincoln * Professor Smith Turkish is somewhat more conservative. Titles are capitalized when they precede a person's name: * Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan * Profesör Ayşe Demir When used generically, they remain lowercase: * cumhurbaşkanı * profesör 5. Directions English often capitalizes directions when they refer to regions: * the South * the West Turkish typically uses lowercase unless the word is part of an official geographic name. 6. Formal pronouns English capitalizes "I" but not "you." Turkish has no equivalent to the English capitalized pronoun "I." The pronoun ben remains lowercase unless it starts a sentence. 7. Sentence capitalization Both languages capitalize: * the first word of a sentence * proper names * countries * cities * organizations * book titles (though title capitalization styles differ) For example: English: * The History of Turkey Turkish: * Türkiye Tarihi Turkish titles generally capitalize the first letter of each significant word, but style guides can vary depending on the publisher. 8. Acronyms Both languages capitalize acronyms: * NATO * TBMM (Türkiye Büyük Millet Meclisi) * TÜBİTAK Turkish acronyms may include Turkish-specific letters such as Ü, Ş, or İ. Summary Rule English Turkish First word of sentence ✔ ✔ Proper names ✔ ✔ Months Capitalized Lowercase (unless sentence-initial) Days of week Capitalized Lowercase (unless sentence-initial) Languages Capitalized Capitalized Nationalities Capitalized Capitalized Special uppercase I rules No Yes (I/ı and İ/i) Pronoun "I" Always capitalized No equivalent The most distinctive capitalization feature of Turkish is its treatment of I, İ, ı, and i. Correctly handling these four letters is essential for proper spelling and capitalization in Turkish, and software that assumes English casing rules often produces incorrect results. Thanks, Richard, "It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation." Herman Melville My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: Rumeysa Betül Boydak via MBraille-Test <mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2026 3:02 PM To: development. This list is for MBraille testers. You will get access to beta versions and latest features still in <mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com> Cc: Rumeysa Betül Boydak <r.betulboydak@gmail.com> Subject: [MBraille-Test] Re: A problem that persists despite the update. I hope a solution can be found. All of the other letters can be typed in uppercase, but the letter q cannot be typed as an uppercase Q in MBraille. That is the issue I am referring to. Thank you for taking the time to help and for your attention. I know a little English, but my English is not good enough. Therefore, I use AI to translate these messages before sending them. Because of that, I may not always express everything as clearly as I intend. I am aware that English also has capitalization rules. However, I believe the capitalization rules in Turkish are more detailed in some respects. As I am a Turkish language teacher, I need to write correctly and follow the language rules. That is why I report the issues I notice while using MBraille. Thank you again for your interest, support, and assistance. Richard Turner via MBraille-Test <mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com<mailto:mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com>> şunları yazdı (24 Tem 2026 00:44): sounds like Turkish has similar rules to English. Proper names and places, like cities, states, countries, all need to be capitalized. Also, the first word of a sentence needs to be capitalized. IT sounds like Harri needs to build in an exception since q is not in the Turkish language. I do not know how that can be dealt with if the speech synthesizer insists that q shouldn't be there. I am sadly limited to the English language. I hope a solution is found.

Hi, For the uppercase Q, are you using contracted (grade-2) or uncontracted (grade-1) Braille? At least in grade 1 the uppercase Q should work. Best regards, Harri On Friday, July 24th, 2026 at 1:01 AM, Rumeysa Betül Boydak via MBraille-Test <mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com> wrote:

I hope a solution can be found. All of the other letters can be typed in uppercase, but the letter q cannot be typed as an uppercase Q in MBraille. That is the issue I am referring to. Thank you for taking the time to help and for your attention.

I know a little English, but my English is not good enough. Therefore, I use AI to translate these messages before sending them. Because of that, I may not always express everything as clearly as I intend.

I am aware that English also has capitalization rules. However, I believe the capitalization rules in Turkish are more detailed in some respects. As I am a Turkish language teacher, I need to write correctly and follow the language rules. That is why I report the issues I notice while using MBraille.

Thank you again for your interest, support, and assistance.

Richard Turner via MBraille-Test <mbraille-test@lists.mpaja.com> şunları yazdı (24 Tem 2026 00:44): sounds like Turkish has similar rules to English. Proper names and places, like cities, states, countries, all need to be capitalized. Also, the first word of a sentence needs to be capitalized. IT sounds like Harri needs to build in an exception since q is not in the Turkish language. I do not know how that can be dealt with if the speech synthesizer insists that q shouldn't be there. I am sadly limited to the English language. I hope a solution is found.